Thread: Dangers of feeding commercial (Purina) pet food

Originally Posted by candes

How very kind of you to say such a thing. And may I ask what single thing I did that started the troubles here with all of this? I posted a non biased article. That is not what I would consider causing trouble. But this is what started it all.

There was no one single instance but a build up over time, I got to the stage where I did not look at your threads as I come onto this forum for light hearted entertainment, to drool over others pictures and to chat with like minded coonie slaves and where I can to offer help with products as I have in the past with probiotics and the replacement product for SA37.

If I wanted advise of a more serious nature I would contact one of the vets I know through work as I did when we thought the breeder had got it wrong over Roxy's sex and the best time to get my two fixed, I will never forget that email!!

I have spoken to one non practcing vet who now has his own company and is the vet on set for quite a few films (yes I have seen pics of Hedwig and that how I know the caretakers cat in Harry Potter is an MC, That meeting lost all of it's structure after I found out about that!!) He thinks that the pet food industry has something to answer to in the amount of cats with thyroid problems so I am reasonably informed but would never ram my views across with quite sutch force as you do.

Yes I am facebook friends with a few of the members on here but I am not a sheep following the flock and prefer to make my own mind up and I enjoy reading their posts and seeing their pictures.

As for you accusations of bullying I have never been involved in the sending of PM's about another member, however you must have been involved as untill you mentioned it I had no idea it happened.

I'm sorry if my point of view does not fit but it is mine as you have yours.

Originally Posted by Helen & John

There was no one single instance but a build up over time, I got to the stage where I did not look at your threads as I come onto this forum for light hearted entertainment, to drool over others pictures and to chat with like minded coonie slaves and where I can to offer help with products as I have in the past with probiotics and the replacement product for SA37.

If I wanted advise of a more serious nature I would contact one of the vets I know through work as I did when we thought the breeder had got it wrong over Roxy's sex and the best time to get my two fixed, I will never forget that email!!

I have spoken to one non practcing vet who now has his own company and is the vet on set for quite a few films (yes I have seen pics of Hedwig and that how I know the caretakers cat in Harry Potter is an MC, That meeting lost all of it's structure after I found out about that!!) He thinks that the pet food industry has something to answer to in the amount of cats with thyroid problems so I am reasonably informed but would never ram my views across with quite sutch force as you do.

Yes I am facebook friends with a few of the members on here but I am not a sheep following the flock and prefer to make my own mind up and I enjoy reading their posts and seeing their pictures.

As for you accusations of bullying I have never been involved in the sending of PM's about another member, however you must have been involved as untill you mentioned it I had no idea it happened.

I'm sorry if my point of view does not fit but it is mine as you have yours.

Very well Put!!

I am actually begining to think the same, about View points as my beliefs and my feeding practices of what is in effect not an over night sensation, but from 34 years of Breeding and owning Pedigree cats, and feeding thus, to include suppliments etc over years... to include Garlic...


No matter what we say or use or prove to be good for our animals opinions will differ... to be honest I wish I have NEVER said I feed BARF, and to be honest I too, am now being to dread my inbox from the Forum....

Originally Posted by candes

Here is how I feel about this. You can feed your cat whatever you want, even if it is cyanide. As long as the next person has the info they need to made a decision. A poisen is a poisen... I didn't make this up.

Now this is exactly why I hate my emails, I can feed my cats Cyanide? a poison is a poison?


I wrote on my quote THIS is what I give my cats, I did not tell everyone to rush out and buy it??


I have cats, if you want to look at it in monitary value and this is minimal Value in excess of 25 thousand pounds, and that minimals, I am not going to do anything to hurt or poison them?

Originally Posted by candes

I never said you gossiped via the PM system. And have no clue what gave you the idea I though this.

Sorry been up all night with a teething baby, it should have said bullying on the forum

So are you saying that everyone hates my posts?

I am only speaking for my self, when you are joining in on the lighthearted stuff I have no problems with your posts and you videos are always good but its when you get the bit between your teeth that I have the problem as your tone changes and thats what puts me off

Originally Posted by candes

When you say bit between teeth, are you even aware of what got the bit between my teeth in the first place? I keep typing about it over and over again. Yet not one person has addressed it. Why?

I am aware the Sasha had problems but am pretty sure it was down to the breeder not paying attention to the eating habbits of the kittens from what I recall.

It's the tone of your posts I have the issue with and they way they come across on line.

Originally Posted by candes

Exactly, that is precisely what happed to Sasha. So what about it? I don't understand why you mentioned it.

The tone is a product of my anguish over the atmosphere created after an innocent post. How would you feel if you were crucified over a post? That is what I wanted addressed. Why is everyone addressing my reaction instead of the original cause for the problem?

I mentioned at because it was not down to the diet in my understanding but to how it was fed, if it had been done correctly then Sasha may not have had her problems. When I look at Debbies many photos of her BARF fed cats they look in the prime of health as do Howlingbobs (okay I admit to having a bit of a thing for her latest) but both of them have spent a lot of time looking into the diet and ensuring its fed correctly.
I see and hear a lot of info from the main vet diets through work and still think it is up to the owner to weigh up all the pros and cons.
My pair have been offered raw bits but turn their noses up at it even when I have 'an accident' preparing our food, a bit of cheese dropping thats a different matter!

Originally Posted by Helen & John

When I look at Debbies many photos of her BARF fed cats they look in the prime of health as do Howlingbobs

Erm... Helen... you forgot to include some other raw fed Coonies on here...

Sorry for breaking my promise about not posting anymore in this thread but I couldn't resist.

Seeing as you asked Candes why people seem to be against you I will give you my opinion.

Following the numerous, now thankfully deleted posts by yourself, NCarver, Ellismom to name but a few, in which you basically said that we were harming our cats by feeding them a natural raw diet; I took the time to write down all the scientific research that had been carried out and exactly how cat food is produced and exactly what it contains and what the dangers are for each ingredient and process. You argued that thread as well tying yourself in knots about your research and showing a low intelectual grasp of the processes ie. your arguing that your preferred manufacturer did not use the rendering process even when it was pointed out to you that they do and how it was labelled on the packaging. Incidently that same piece that I wrote on here has been adopted and is used by Worldwide 4A (Action Against Animal Abuse) which I have been an active member of for several years.

To me you appear to trawl this forum for threads in relation to raw feeding and then spam them with your own beliefs. When someone questions what you have said you come across in your posts as talking down to people and treating them as if they are stupid for not automatically agreeing with what you say. You appear in your postings to be launching a personal attack on any member who disagrees with you. This is not discussing nor debating it is as you have confessed to "Preaching".

You quote yourself as being "over educated" however this is not how you come across, as an an example of many my 6 year old grandson can spell "poison" correctly. You post as "scientic fact" things that are simply not true and can never back up your own arguments, instead you launch a childish attack on the other poster.

I believe that your comments with regards to the "PM Gossiping" were aimed at me. This is a situation that you think you know about but do not so I would appreciate your keeping out of what does not concern you and goes far further than just this forum and the members in it; I could post about it but having taken advice from my Solicitor will not be.

And while I am in the mood for correcting your unproven postings- garlic is not poisonous to cats, in fact it is very effective at preventing and killing fleas and is recommended by many vets as it is chemical free. It can be used either in food, tablet form or as an oil on a cats coat.

I will also leave this thread now and make liberal use of the "Ignore" facility on here again.

Originally Posted by catslave

And while I am in the mood for correcting your unproven postings- garlic is not poisonous to cats, in fact it is very effective at preventing and killing fleas and is recommended by many vets as it is chemical free. It can be used either in food, tablet form or as an oil on a cats coat.

I really have to disagree with your stance on garlic and cats, I have not heard of a vet recommending garlic to cats, if you google garlic and cats you'll find many articles against giving garlic to cats unless you know what you are doing. Garlic, onions and chocolate in large doses are fatal to cats and dogs. I really needed to bring this up as to prevent others from discounting garlic as potentially being harmful or fatal to our beloved pets.

Articles I have found

ASPCA | Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?
Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?


You listed garlic and garlic powder among people foods that should not be given to dogs, but I've always heard garlic is a natural wormer and antibiotic, and very good for dogs. Also, most recipes for homemade dog treats include garlic. Why the contradiction?
- Jaspar Dogs, and especially cats, are sensitive to garlic, Jaspar. Unfortunately, we do not know specifically what dosage causes problems, and it is not yet completely known what breeds and age groups are most sensitive to this toxicity. What we do know is that gastrointestinal problems and red blood cell damage can occur as a result of feeding garlic to pets. An occasional small amount, such as that in most commercial pet foods and treats, may not cause a problem, but because of the risk, we generally recommend that you avoid feeding your pets products that contain more concentrated amounts of garlic.


http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htmHowever, the main reason I'd discourage feeding cats "people food" is that there are a number of foods that are toxic to cats. You may have forgotten that the gravy slathered over your Thanksgiving turkey used broth that was flavored with onion, among other things. While it is tasty and harmless to humans, onions are very toxic to cats. The following is a list of foods that cats should never eat:

Onions, Garlic, & Related Root Vegetables

Onions contain a substance (N-propyl disulphide) which destroys red blood cells in the cat, causing a form of anemia called Heinz body anemia. Garlic contains a similar substance in a lesser amount.

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Originally Posted by Antonia

Erm... Helen... you forgot to include some other raw fed Coonies on here...

Sorry for breaking my promise about not posting anymore in this thread but I couldn't resist.

Whoops sorry to Tatja, Monty, Minnie and of course Buddy and Fudge!! In my defense Freddie is teething and I'm running on tea and mars bars at the mo!!!