Thread: Dangers of feeding commercial (Purina) pet food

Seeing as you asked Candes why people seem to be against you I will give you my opinion.

Following the numerous, now thankfully deleted posts by yourself, NCarver, Ellismom to name but a few, in which you basically said that we were harming our cats by feeding them a natural raw diet; I took the time to write down all the scientific research that had been carried out and exactly how cat food is produced and exactly what it contains and what the dangers are for each ingredient and process. You argued that thread as well tying yourself in knots about your research and showing a low intelectual grasp of the processes ie. your arguing that your preferred manufacturer did not use the rendering process even when it was pointed out to you that they do and how it was labelled on the packaging. Incidently that same piece that I wrote on here has been adopted and is used by Worldwide 4A (Action Against Animal Abuse) which I have been an active member of for several years.

To me you appear to trawl this forum for threads in relation to raw feeding and then spam them with your own beliefs. When someone questions what you have said you come across in your posts as talking down to people and treating them as if they are stupid for not automatically agreeing with what you say. You appear in your postings to be launching a personal attack on any member who disagrees with you. This is not discussing nor debating it is as you have confessed to "Preaching".

You quote yourself as being "over educated" however this is not how you come across, as an an example of many my 6 year old grandson can spell "poison" correctly. You post as "scientic fact" things that are simply not true and can never back up your own arguments, instead you launch a childish attack on the other poster.

I believe that your comments with regards to the "PM Gossiping" were aimed at me. This is a situation that you think you know about but do not so I would appreciate your keeping out of what does not concern you and goes far further than just this forum and the members in it; I could post about it but having taken advice from my Solicitor will not be.

And while I am in the mood for correcting your unproven postings- garlic is not poisonous to cats, in fact it is very effective at preventing and killing fleas and is recommended by many vets as it is chemical free. It can be used either in food, tablet form or as an oil on a cats coat.

I will also leave this thread now and make liberal use of the "Ignore" facility on here again.

Originally Posted by catslave

And while I am in the mood for correcting your unproven postings- garlic is not poisonous to cats, in fact it is very effective at preventing and killing fleas and is recommended by many vets as it is chemical free. It can be used either in food, tablet form or as an oil on a cats coat.

I really have to disagree with your stance on garlic and cats, I have not heard of a vet recommending garlic to cats, if you google garlic and cats you'll find many articles against giving garlic to cats unless you know what you are doing. Garlic, onions and chocolate in large doses are fatal to cats and dogs. I really needed to bring this up as to prevent others from discounting garlic as potentially being harmful or fatal to our beloved pets.

Articles I have found

ASPCA | Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?
Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?


You listed garlic and garlic powder among people foods that should not be given to dogs, but I've always heard garlic is a natural wormer and antibiotic, and very good for dogs. Also, most recipes for homemade dog treats include garlic. Why the contradiction?
- Jaspar Dogs, and especially cats, are sensitive to garlic, Jaspar. Unfortunately, we do not know specifically what dosage causes problems, and it is not yet completely known what breeds and age groups are most sensitive to this toxicity. What we do know is that gastrointestinal problems and red blood cell damage can occur as a result of feeding garlic to pets. An occasional small amount, such as that in most commercial pet foods and treats, may not cause a problem, but because of the risk, we generally recommend that you avoid feeding your pets products that contain more concentrated amounts of garlic.


http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htmHowever, the main reason I'd discourage feeding cats "people food" is that there are a number of foods that are toxic to cats. You may have forgotten that the gravy slathered over your Thanksgiving turkey used broth that was flavored with onion, among other things. While it is tasty and harmless to humans, onions are very toxic to cats. The following is a list of foods that cats should never eat:

Onions, Garlic, & Related Root Vegetables

Onions contain a substance (N-propyl disulphide) which destroys red blood cells in the cat, causing a form of anemia called Heinz body anemia. Garlic contains a similar substance in a lesser amount.

The article continues

Originally Posted by deb's_boys

I really have to disagree with your stance on garlic and cats, I have not heard of a vet recommending garlic to cats, if you google garlic and cats you'll find many articles against giving garlic to cats unless you know what you are doing. Garlic, onions and chocolate in large doses are fatal to cats and dogs. I really needed to bring this up as to prevent others from discounting garlic as potentially being harmful or fatal to our beloved pets.

The article you quoted has already been used in my previous post, however I doubt a large manufacturer called Denes would make and sell Garlic for cats and dogs if it was going to kill them!
Garlic for Dogs and Cats - Fact Sheet - Denes Natural Pet Care


To quote also one of Candes post, not sure where it is but the mentions of fleas which, she claims she had a problem with after years.

Maybe the reason I have never had fleas is because I use Garlic in small quanties?

The only precautions I take for all my cats and kittens is when I got to show before I go, I frontline my cats as I have seen cats that have got through vetting in that have flea dirt on them


I added this Garlic post as this is what I feed my cats, and I think like I said many times now, I have had cats and Dogs for many years, We also had pigs that we fed with Garlic bread, which was past its sell by date from Supermarkets, the dogs often used to run off with a roll of Garlic bread and all our Dogs lived to a long life just like my cats it was their favourite munch...


You are of course right to post the comments that pet owners need to read and take care, but the same site you used to quote the information against Garlic.. also states that RAW food is bad too!!


ASPCA | People Foods to Avoid Feeding Your Pets

Originally Posted by debbie560

The article you quoted has already been used in my previous post, however I doubt a large manufacturer called Denes would make and sell Garlic for cats and dogs if it was going to kill them!
Garlic for Dogs and Cats - Fact Sheet - Denes Natural Pet Care


To quote also one of Candes post, not sure where it is but the mentions of fleas which, she claims she had a problem with after years.

Maybe the reason I have never had fleas is because I use Garlic in small quanties?

The only precautions I take for all my cats and kittens is when I got to show before I go, I frontline my cats as I have seen cats that have got through vetting in that have flea dirt on them


I added this Garlic post as this is what I feed my cats, and I think like I said many times now, I have had cats and Dogs for many years, We also had pigs that we fed with Garlic bread, which was past its sell by date from Supermarkets, the dogs often used to run off with a roll of Garlic bread and all our Dogs lived to a long life just like my cats it was their favourite munch...


You are of course right to post the comments that pet owners need to read and take care, but the same site you used to quote the information against Garlic.. also states that RAW food is bad too!!


ASPCA | People Foods to Avoid Feeding Your Pets

So not all commercial food companies are bad? I thought that was the very point of this thread. Raw good, commercial bad.

I don't pay attention to other's opinions of what to feed my cats, just the scientific basis and I was just focusing on the fact that garlic can and has the potential to harm our pets. I couldn't care less if that same organization doesn't like raw diets, they may not like cats going outside either, so what. The topic was about garlic being ok for cats and I just had to add to that awareness that it needs to be looked at carefully.

Originally Posted by candes

I adjusted the the above since the system cut out my quote. Anyways, yes, I am anti raw. But just like you I am entitled to my opinion. And in no way does my opinion about what I want to feed my cats have anything to do with yours. Your cats your choice. My cats, my choice.

My opinion is what it is, my opinion.... And I am entitled to it just like you are to yours. Unfortunately the atmosphere around here is that I am not. As proven by your pointing out my personal opinion on the subject. And not actual comments by me saying that no one here is entitled to feed their cats how they wish. Which is what everyone is claiming.

That's fine Candes. I am not here to convert people either. I just tried to answer your question.

No-one is saying that you are not entitled to your opinion. That is a given in a mature debate and it's certainly not the issue here. However, several people have been concerned enough over the tone of your posts to come on here and voice their concerns. But I suppose you will think that people are just picking on you and ganging up on you, blah blah blah...I don't know why I'm bothering.

Originally Posted by candes

Ok we are making a little progress. Then just answer me, why the tit for tat because of my one post?

If you read and digested what have posted it is nothing to do with just one post or comment it is a multitude over a year or more. *holds breath and waits for NCarver to log in as his latest fake profile*

Originally Posted by deb's_boys

I really have to disagree with your stance on garlic and cats, I have not heard of a vet recommending garlic to cats, if you google garlic and cats you'll find many articles against giving garlic to cats unless you know what you are doing. Garlic, onions and chocolate in large doses are fatal to cats and dogs. I really needed to bring this up as to prevent others from discounting garlic as potentially being harmful or fatal to our beloved pets.

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I'm sorry but the VMD has passed Denes garlic products and have given them a VM number and Dorwest Herbs Garlic and Fenugreek tablets are listen on the NOAH website for use in cats and dogs.
These are the two main drug agencys used by British Vets and if you wish to check on NOAH's website it's open to the public.

Originally Posted by Helen & John

I'm sorry but the VMD has passed Denes garlic products and have given them a VM number and Dorwest Herbs Garlic and Fenugreek tablets are listen on the NOAH website for use in cats and dogs.
These are the two main drug agencys used by British Vets and if you wish to check on NOAH's website it's open to the public.

Those are supplements and are regulated, when we hear about garlic given to cats it's in the raw form human grade that is not advised.

I'm not contributing to this anymore.... obviously our Canadian system is totally different that your stance in the U.K.

Originally Posted by deb's_boys

I'm not contributing to this anymore.... obviously our Canadian system is totally different that your stance in the U.K.

Sorry I forgot that this is on the world wide web not just in the UK, if I'd have looked a little closer at your link I would have realised......need sleep!!!