Thread: Dangers of feeding commercial (Purina) pet food

Well said!! Both!


I hope that no one in my post reads them as I dictate that YOU must feed BARF that was never my intention, my intention was to answer the question, BARF Versus other foods, I chose RAW.. simple..

When I sell a kitten this kitten is fed BARF too and if people do not like this then go elsewhere for a kittens simple!! And if people then think they can pay me lip service and say oh yes he will be fed this way then send me a dear Debbie email one week before he is to be delivered, then yes they will have a problem with me!

Since I have started feeding this way I have had adopted several kittens, all those kittens are still BARF fed, and the owners that have other cats prior to mine arriving have also changed, I did not put their arm up their back! they saw the look of the cats and the benefit of BARF to dried.


If a new owner wishes me to feed half and half I am happy to do this once a deposit is paid, but if you know I feed BARF and then say oh well he will as soon as I get him/her, then he/she only get buiscuits then thats the wrong attitude is all I will say.


There is also a matter of listening, I feed BARF for my own reasons stated above, and it is an expensive alternative but it suits me. But when you feed BARF you have to understand that you just can't like one person said to me, they will get a couple of chicks in the morning and then have dried food down all day for the rest of the time? That wrong also as I pointed out to this person more than once... Giving her links to many BARF websites in English so she could read them.

The digestive time for BARF and Dried are different, so if you are going to feed BARF and buiscuits there has to be many hours between feeds to ensure that the cats has digested the BARF food which takes longer to digest, so if you feed chicks/ meat etc in the morning then the buiscuits can be put down at supper time or when you go to bed...


The best tale of all is my two pet Abyssinians recently sent to the States, they have their own blog.

Wendy and Mark feed a brand of Raw called Natures Variety food, which you can get in RAW, tinned, and Buiscuit form, they bought all three. JUST in case lol The Buiscuits are made of organic meat and Vegetables.

They Mark and Wendy had to go to work for half a day leaving the boys at home for the first time, and they were worried they would starve! So they left a dish of buiscuits down for them, after an early breakfast leaving 6 hours digestion time. The boys did not touch a buiscuit, when their mum and dad came home with the RAW minced Lamb dish of the day, that they ate!



Now if certain people wish to jump all over this post then, get on with it.. But I have read and re read my previous posts on this subject and the comments in them have not been me JUMPING on people who do not feed RAW!!

Originally Posted by candes

Catslave I respect others opinions. And you can feed and post what you like. (You always have.) But this is being turned around. You were not here for the beginning so I am not sure why you are here now.

-I posted an article (nothing more)
-Someone got nasty with a new member over it and their own opinion (later deleted)
-Immature tit for tat was posted in response by several members including this post and extra raw pics etc around the site

This above response (not the actual content) was hostile to me and the new person. Because we posted something you didn't like. Now who is being censored here? All I did was post an article. And you all went crazy over it. The same hostile atmopshere that keeps others walking on eggshells to keep the peace.

Once again I repeat... It is not what was posted here, it was why... Immature tit for tat. You folks have been posting your raw stuff all along. Never once did I even care. But several folks went crazy with the posts in a hostile response to my article. All in an attempt to censor me.

For now on, I will no longer be censored. So if you see something that differs from your opinion, you better get cozy with the idea. Since yes you were correct, the peace was broken but by the behaviors of certain individuals. This is exactly what this is all about. Censorship at its finest.

And catslave, I actually defended you over principle and out in the open. While the kiddies lit up the PM system ripping you apart behind you back. Not sure what you mean about that comment to me about not being happy to see you back.

That someone you are refering to me Candes is me, I did not get nasty at all with the other person, I asked her where she got her information from which she kindly posted, and when I edited my post and sent it back I must have had it highlighted because un be known to me until your next nasty comment, I did actually have no clue what you was on about.

HOWEVER someone here must have my post in their email copies hey you keep referring to it then why dont you repost it Candes then I and other can see how nasty it is..??


Your quote.. Immature tit for tat. You folks have been posting your raw stuff all along. Never once did I even care. But several folks went crazy with the posts in a hostile response to my article. All in an attempt to censor me.[/B]

Us Folks as you say are allowed to post our comments and show photos, this is a Forum, and here we can feel free to share our own experiences of feeding BARF why to quote your own comment should you care.



We have been reading your posts and that of the "the new member" however no other member has been as you can clearly see replying to your quotes, because quite simply Candes, you rant and tant all by your self.


You quotes on the discussion which is here are actually very personal

http://www.maine-coon-forum.info/raw...ntroversy.html



Candes, one thing I do not do is censor my posts, after my experience with Back Street Breeders, I am more careful what I put is all... But if I really put what I think of your attitude on here I would be banned, and I am not about to do that, as this is a nice forum.


Candes you like the attentions which is why you are not getting any more from me from now on and I think you can clearly see NO one is taking you on on the other page other than the " new member"

Originally Posted by candes

No one is stepping in because you will all turn them into public enemy number two. Eggshells remember?

As far as I am concerned, this issue is over. And all I ask is to not be censored. That is all I am whining for. Can you all promise me this one small thing? If you do, I will shut up.

If that what you think Candes, then think it, PM's as you stated in your previous quotes what did it go like 1...2....3...4.... have told their own story! AND no one other than you and the "new member" have quoted because you have done this before... on other topics.



No one has censored you and no one has censored anyone else, I am, like you entitled to show information and photos of my cats being fed the way I feed them, I do not tell ANYONE who has not adoped a kitten or a cat from me how to feed their cat/kitten.


Its personal choice.


What I expect of my new owners as would any other good breeder who sells kittens and actually cares about their wellbeing, is to follow the diet sheet given to them when they take the cat home, as this is what the cat has been used to while at my home, if they later chose to feed another product thats their choice and this should be done gradually not right away.


I know one lady who recently bought a British that starved himself, he lost over half his body weight because he would not eat the buiscuits he was offered, he was also fed by another breeder not me BARF.


There are pro and cons about every discussion. You had a bad experience and jumped on me and my comments and my photos. But you are the only one that got NASTY Candes..


There is no egg shells, people just cant' be bothered with it, because you disagree anyway.


You have quoted with your 'New Member" so many posts between your selves, that could have been kept to PM or hey we live in the 21st Century try the phone..

This is the only reason I feel people have not quoted. Plus the nastyness within.


Do what you have to Candes, I am far to busy and to old to be playing your games.... but you are on your own... as stated now twice I have re read my comments and there is nothing nasty in them, there is no personal attack on you or the "new Member"

I actually agree that people do not enter this discussion due to being lynched...from both sides. This thread is ugly and personal. I suggest that people post an article or information and discuss the article/information only. Personal experience is helpful to a point, but from watching this topic for a long time it is clear that you can have a happy healthy cat on a varied array of diets (maybe not a purina diet?) and there is no clear winner, so it comes down to personal choice.
Not everyone is into BARF, and that's OK.

I think you (Debbie/Candes/Catslave) need to have a good hard look at the way in which you are coming across on this forum, it is not a welcome or helpful place when you are behaving in this manner.

And that's my rant...

Originally Posted by candes

And that's your opinion that you are entitled to. You just have to be in my shoes. I have been here a long time and always felt that I have to walk on eggshells every day that I am here. Always being careful not to say something that will erupt another tizzy. And that post that I did, I felt was "safe". I thought it was refreshing to find an article neither pro nor con and was proud of my find. Something that both "sides" could finally agree upon. Well my peace loving feel good post was treated like the antichrist. And I too would have welcomed a response to the "offending thread" vs what has gone on.

And your last comment was not nice. I feel this needs to be cleared up once and for all. When a well meaning article causes such a big stir, there is stil an underlining problem. It will not just magically disappear.

Candes I stopped using this forum as much when you became active on here again........you left alone for a while after the fuss over ncarver if I recall correctly.
If there is a point made that does not fit into your view you bombard the thread and do come across as very forceful. I agree that I may not agree with some of the points made by others I do not think that a public forum is the place for the responses that I have seen you give, others agree that there are other points of view that are not theirs but once you have got the bit between your teeth you do not seem to have any care other than getting your point across.

Please remember that this is my point of view and not anyone elses, but if I feel this way maybe others do too, lets keep the forum a happy place.

Candes, I ask you to look back at the start of this thread. Imagine you are new to maine coons looking for a friendly forum you can engage in friendly chat to people about the breed, whether you agree with HowlinBobs opening post or not, as soon as you get to your reply, I'm sure most people including myself will find it very negative and feel unnecessarily defensive. The whole 'you said this' 'you said that' thing is not helping anyone so I ask kindly to be more careful what you are writing in future as this is by many times, not the first time your replies are needlesly aggressive. I hope if you read the start of the thread again from an outsiders perspective you will see what I mean.

Originally Posted by dave

Candes, I ask you to look back at the start of this thread. Imagine you are new to maine coons looking for a friendly forum you can engage in friendly chat to people about the breed, whether you agree with HowlinBobs opening post or not, as soon as you get to your reply, I'm sure most people including myself will find it very negative and feel unnecessarily defensive. The whole 'you said this' 'you said that' thing is not helping anyone so I ask kindly to be more careful what you are writing in future as this is by many times, not the first time your replies are needlesly aggressive. I hope if you read the start of the thread again from an outsiders perspective you will see what I mean.

I was very confused by what I read throughout this whole thread, nothing to do with the original topic 'Dangers of feeding commercial food' which I agree is always a potential problem that we as cat owners need to be kept apprised of.

As a new member to this forum, I feel that one on one disputes need to be kept private and not brought out to the forum for all to see. A lot of what was said here is obviously coming from a history that I as a new member have no clue on and if I was a more sensitive person I would have left and asked for my membership to be deleted, but, as I am a seasoned pet owner and not new to forums and the chemistry between people I will remain and just let my discernment be known to the rest of the membership.

If you want to post anything by way of scientific research regarding raw feeding there is a "sticky" at the top of the Diet and Nutrition forum that is for just this purpose. I have put up a few of the articles I have found and, since there is no opportunity for anyone to post any opinion, maybe that would be a good place to put up information you want to share and prevent your frustration with this topic going forward. From all the back reading it I've done it seems that nothing good comes from open debate of the subject.

Originally Posted by candes

How very kind of you to say such a thing. And may I ask what single thing I did that started the troubles here with all of this? I posted a non biased article. That is not what I would consider causing trouble. But this is what started it all.

There was no one single instance but a build up over time, I got to the stage where I did not look at your threads as I come onto this forum for light hearted entertainment, to drool over others pictures and to chat with like minded coonie slaves and where I can to offer help with products as I have in the past with probiotics and the replacement product for SA37.

If I wanted advise of a more serious nature I would contact one of the vets I know through work as I did when we thought the breeder had got it wrong over Roxy's sex and the best time to get my two fixed, I will never forget that email!!

I have spoken to one non practcing vet who now has his own company and is the vet on set for quite a few films (yes I have seen pics of Hedwig and that how I know the caretakers cat in Harry Potter is an MC, That meeting lost all of it's structure after I found out about that!!) He thinks that the pet food industry has something to answer to in the amount of cats with thyroid problems so I am reasonably informed but would never ram my views across with quite sutch force as you do.

Yes I am facebook friends with a few of the members on here but I am not a sheep following the flock and prefer to make my own mind up and I enjoy reading their posts and seeing their pictures.

As for you accusations of bullying I have never been involved in the sending of PM's about another member, however you must have been involved as untill you mentioned it I had no idea it happened.

I'm sorry if my point of view does not fit but it is mine as you have yours.

Originally Posted by Helen & John

There was no one single instance but a build up over time, I got to the stage where I did not look at your threads as I come onto this forum for light hearted entertainment, to drool over others pictures and to chat with like minded coonie slaves and where I can to offer help with products as I have in the past with probiotics and the replacement product for SA37.

If I wanted advise of a more serious nature I would contact one of the vets I know through work as I did when we thought the breeder had got it wrong over Roxy's sex and the best time to get my two fixed, I will never forget that email!!

I have spoken to one non practcing vet who now has his own company and is the vet on set for quite a few films (yes I have seen pics of Hedwig and that how I know the caretakers cat in Harry Potter is an MC, That meeting lost all of it's structure after I found out about that!!) He thinks that the pet food industry has something to answer to in the amount of cats with thyroid problems so I am reasonably informed but would never ram my views across with quite sutch force as you do.

Yes I am facebook friends with a few of the members on here but I am not a sheep following the flock and prefer to make my own mind up and I enjoy reading their posts and seeing their pictures.

As for you accusations of bullying I have never been involved in the sending of PM's about another member, however you must have been involved as untill you mentioned it I had no idea it happened.

I'm sorry if my point of view does not fit but it is mine as you have yours.

Very well Put!!

I am actually begining to think the same, about View points as my beliefs and my feeding practices of what is in effect not an over night sensation, but from 34 years of Breeding and owning Pedigree cats, and feeding thus, to include suppliments etc over years... to include Garlic...


No matter what we say or use or prove to be good for our animals opinions will differ... to be honest I wish I have NEVER said I feed BARF, and to be honest I too, am now being to dread my inbox from the Forum....